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Old 10-28-2003, 03:43 AM
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Promod engine in a Pantera ?

Hi all !

I am investigating the possibility to put an all aluminium bigblock ford in my 1972 Pantera GTS.

The foundation is an FordRacing "Allan Root" 12.000" deck block and the idéa is to have large bore and short stroke. I'll run the stock ZF transmission behind this so i'm not talking about maximum output here but around 650-750 hp or so.

The thing is that i'm new to this kind of engine-configs. and i feel i need as much input on the subject as possible...
So basicly some tips on a good combination of components that would make an engine like this work on the highway as well as on the racetrack.

The engineblock has been used in a 818cui setup but i do not intend to make it as large as that perhaps a 4.500" stroke and 4.670" bore.

This has been done before as can be seen in this pictures:





All comments and idéas are more than welcome.

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Old 10-28-2003, 01:23 PM
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if you are only want to make 600 hp why not just build a svo
small block or if you are stuck on the big ford put a street lenco
in it. then build the motor to make more hps nice car in the pics
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Old 10-28-2003, 06:17 PM
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Bigblock

Hi Aaron !

The reson i investigate the "Large Ford" idéa is that i have found a block that i probably can use. However it feels a bit like it's too much work for a aprox. 700hp combo in this kind of engine.

The pricetag on this would probably end near $13.000 so i must say it feels a lot smarter and more laidback to just order a crate engine 502-540 Chevy BB and adapt the ZF to it. that would probably land around $7000 and no work at all just plug&play.

So the only real turn-on is the aluminium-block but is it worth the extra $6000...probably not right ?

Where should one shop for a good Chevy BB crate ?
any bright idéas ?
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Old 10-29-2003, 08:22 AM
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that would be cool if cid is what you are looking for you can make over 420 plus with a cleveland
with svo stuff . bbc crate motor i like scott shaffirof out of ny i have one of his 615 in my street car bought it new in 1994 runs cool and just freshen it every other year so far so good good service on parts and tech info from them .they keep good records of their motors and part
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Old 10-29-2003, 09:07 AM
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I have heard a lot of good things about Scott Shafiroff... this street 540 is a nice price/performance setup.

http://www.shafiroff.com/540_675_engine.asp

However i have also looked at the "GM 502 Ram Jet" for equal price with less Hp/Tq ...but then i have EFI instead and thats not to bad either... I am currently investigating the possibility to reverse the ramjet intake manifold...otherwise the airfilter would have to stick into the car thru the rear window

Thanks for your advice.
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Old 10-29-2003, 09:25 AM
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why don,t you put that new ford motor i see on the cover of hot rod this month in it it looks neat and should make some good power
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Old 10-29-2003, 10:36 AM
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nice..

That engine wouldn't be all that bad either... any idéa where i can get information on that... i don´t know if i can get hold of that HotRod issue here in Sweden now.

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Old 10-29-2003, 11:12 AM
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whats your address i will send you one
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Old 10-30-2003, 02:49 AM
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Thanks Aaron !

I'll just check if i can find it in one of the stores here first.
If not i'd be happy to have one sent

PS. I recon that Ford engine won't come cheap...something like the NEW $21.000 Chevy ZL1 machinery.
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Old 10-30-2003, 07:28 AM
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you would sure be the first kid on the block to have that new ford motor in a pantera .do you have the car already ?
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:02 PM
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Yepp sure would

Heres the car:
http://www.soulcollector.se/nemesis/

and heres the 68 camaro:
http://www.soulcollector.se/
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:31 PM
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THE 2 CARS LOOK MINT WHY DON,T YOU JUST FRESHEN THE 351 AND SPEND THE MONEY ON A MOTOR FOR THE CHEV. 540 OR FOR REAL FUN A 632 THESE MOTORS MAKE A LOT MORE POWER THAN A 468 WITHOUT HAVING TO LEAN ON THEM , EASIER ON PARTS WAY MORE BOTTOM END POWER .
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It's funny that you say this..becasue we have just decided to do just that... probably fix a crate 502 Ram Jet for the Camaro and sell off all the 468 stuff and for that money build a TwinTurbo mod on the 351. And in that case aim for 450-480 hp with 0.6 boost

Should be realistic.
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Old 10-31-2003, 07:35 AM
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i think you should just spray it
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Old 11-08-2003, 01:38 PM
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those two web pages for your car look like you are a web desiner
or you have an in with one they look pretty organized why did you post like that ?
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Here's a better way to go....a Ford Racing 514 Crate Motor. The complete engine (manifold to pan) is less than $7,000 USD and will make an easy 600 HP...and still remain streetable with 9.5:1 CR.
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EFI with turbos assumed.......You could always add provisions for a second fuel such as alky or nitro/alky for extreme boost only use.
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